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caliber · Site Admin

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Thanks to Agela Ochoa! for sharing such great video!

Kerry W · Site Admin

Angela!! This made my day!!

Jane Hurl

That was wonderful to watch ... but ...

can someone explain it for me, please? I am not Spanish speaking, but I have been to the Royal Palace in Vienna and that is not it (unless they've renovated *grin*) ... and while those LOOK like Lippizzaners (other than the dark one, who seems too slight of frame to be Lipp) they are not doing the full blown Academy performance, or anything like it.

So I'm confused. Impressed. But confused. Who are those guys?

caliber · Site Admin

I will explain it Jane, good point. .... Let me review the video..... I will translate word by word!! give me a few!

Saludos!

Kerry W · Site Admin

caliber · Site Admin

This is a a video from the "Andalusian Horses" made by the The Andalusian Academy in Spain.

The video is presented in 4 different chirography's.....

1. They speak about the Natural abilities of the breed, and the wonderful team horses make with the human kind......

2. The different levels the team can achieve together (horse/man)

3. France brought this level 300 hundred years ago

4.Cross ties.... demonstrating their abilities and gait

Jane Hurl

Andalusians? Not Lippizzaners? Who woulda thunk it!

Cool stuff, nonetheless.

Hacienda Radiante

Wow!

How beautiful!

Did you see this Lusitano? I'm not a big fan of bull-fighting, but watching this human-horse team is truly inspiring. They are incredibly connected. And athletic!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgG_Gwy7Ysg

britzlove

OK I gotta clarify, sorry I missed it so long.

When you say ability to gait are we talking about something other than piaffe? Extremely collected trot? Because I didn't see a single one ambling.

We've never really hit the point in the origins threads that I'll let the word "gait" when referring to Andalusians go to mean something other than what modern ones do?

I'm just concerned, you know, about implying what the paso fino does and calling it gait, and calling a piaffe a gait too. I can't let anybody think that ambling Andalusians are considered acceptable, especially in that school.

I'm not picky, or I might be, I just want to make a real clear distinction that Andalusians trot now.

BigJ

I thought it was meant gait=trot

All horses gait. The "gaited" breeds have gotten lazy to infer gait means something other than trot, when trot is a gait. To be correct we should say the formal name of the gait we are refering to.

britzlove

That's what I kind of thought too, and I hated to post something, but because elsewhere here we have discussed this "hot button" of mine, I had to make sure to clarify we didn't mean to imply gait as many paso horse enthusiasts might confuse it with.

BigJ

I understand Britz. It's a hot button of mine too for different reasons.

The obsession about gait and gaiting "naturally" is very unrealistic and takes mythic proportions. Natural "gait" at liberty is not a given with this breed, which is why it is a big deal when one does see a horse gaiting a few strides in a pasture.

I wish I knew the roots of how such a myth got started and took off, but I'm sure it had allot to do with marketing the breed and newcomers not knowing/learning the many nuances of the paso fino gait.

Jane Hurl

*looking confused*

britzlove

To explain, because I confused, when I was really trying to avoid some confusions I've previously encountered:

Calibur's wording I felt could lead into some of the confusion I previously encountered in that often times many newcomers especially get completely confused by the word gait, and it gets further complicated with this breed.

All I was trying to do was make sure to clarify he meant cross ties to show how nice their collected trot is, and not some other "gait". I appologize if I caused more confusion, it was not my intent.

As to the natural gait in the field, how I personally feel about it when talking about this breed is that people really need to study it and the nuances of it. I have no doubt you may have horses that do something other than trot in the pasture, but to judge it's quality as an animal you must really look at the ability to perform under saddle.

The marketing boom of pushing this breeds natural ability has not actually been good for it, because the highest quality animals, may trot a bluestreak in turnout, and just because a horse might be nice looking and not trot in the pasture does not make it necessarily high quality.

From my observation in my own herd (something I do more than once daily) here's what you have:

Mare 1: trots nearly exclusively in the paddock, but has class and rythym when she has to collect herself(traversing my old creek bed would be example). She's never been undersaddle, but frequently shows characteristics that would make a beautiful higher action gait, if she were worked. There's nothing in her pedigree to suggest that she doesn't have some of the best gait qualities there is to be had. I would suspect that, she might always need a little extra work to make sure she didn't shift to the diagonal.
This mare has excellent conformation, a brilliant mind, brio to spare, metallic sheen, and a pedigree full of black too. If you could produce one just like her, and ride it, it would make a top quality horse I have no doubt, if you bettered her a little, the offspring would contain close to the total package of champions. If you dismissed her because you saw her trot in the paddock, you would do yourself and the breed a disservice.

Gelding#1:
Son of the above mare and common yet high class stallion. He is much more likely not to trot. However, he shifts in and out of speeds, gears, gaits, he might be in broken pace two strides, trocha alot, shift to close to even gait and more of the same repeated. What I mean is, unlike his momma, he rarely trots. Now him, I have worked, and though not undersaddle, he's getting ready to be there before winter. His way of going so far in tack after warm up on lunge or in lines is beautiful, but every now and then he'll still trot a step to catch him self that is on the lunge. Now, #1 importance is he's stunning, and #2 importance is that he craves work like a junky, and retains training better than any other horse I have EVER worked with. Brilliant is an understatement.

Mare 2: Very very evenly four beat gait even lose, however, she's so hard to keep, I know I'd never breed her, simply because you'd run the risk of producing another one that you'll have to have on strict diet and strenuous excercise routine just so she could be ridden longer than the 2 minutes in takes to get her breathing hard. Coincedently, she also moves a little like a semi-truck, not too manueverable. See, she's been able to take her gait and make it work for her, to the other side of the equation. Let her loose, and she has developed the ability to be 4 beat and really pretty even honestly, but she really prefers to walk period. She also is not the sharpest tack in my box, lol. But I love her, more than the rest I'm sorry to say.

Mare 3: Nicely balanced, and frequently 4 beats in the field, much more than Mare 1 for sure. She is also nicely conformed and has a far better than average pedigree. She's a bit of stinker, and head strong. Easily takes advantage of being spoiled, and a bit on the obstinate side. She has plenty of go though, just dislikes restriction. She has AMAZING feet, something I've personally started looking for, because many pasos's I've observed do not have super feet (contrary to breed marketing stuffed down my throat early on). I'm going to call her the most balanced of 6. In between minor temper tantrums, she shows a lot of promis on lunge and in lines.

Mare 4: Very very tightly four beat, close under, that's what she frequently does when not pushed in the field. When pushed, she trots. Now what I like about her is, that when she has to add speed she trots, not paces. Very strange to me, because by all regards to look at her, I feel like she probably should shift into more of a pace. My suspicion is that because she prefers to go in a manner of self carriage, that when she's asked to collect (she'll also be riding before winter hell or high water), she may be the best prospect seriously of the bunch, but here's the thing...her tolerance threshhold, not too large. She needs a handler with major kid gloves, confident, but patient. If you do push her too far, she will push back alot harder, and past a certain point you just have to quit and resume later. I know the old rule about quitting on a good note, but occasionally, the only good note may be that neither of us got hurt.

Gelding 2:
Pointed father in pleasure, same for his mother. A blue pedigree for sure. However, not much brio. He trots exclusively. I can't get him to gait at all. I could keep working and maybe, but I'm planning on letting him trot as it will be much easier on my daughter in pony club. As it is, I'm having to condition him strenuously to get him to strengthen in anything other than walk. However, he's a good dude. No spooking, very tractable, pleasant. Pretty pretty pretty, every little girls gray/white horse dream. He's blue silver in the moonlight. My vet and farrier believe the way he's built will be a strength over fences. He's addicted to water... Laughing

a story for another time. He has a forever home, he's just that kind.

I'm going to throw in the neighbor's gelding too, I see him daily as well.
Neighbor gelding:
Racks like a champ, nearly, all the time. Flying rack, frequently, with no training. He's palomino pinto, mostly white, but he's got a sweet little paso head and face. The rest however, looks like an over fed Saddlbred. Legs are way too long, body is too long. He does have substantial strong large hooves, which since his future is a trail gelding will really use. Breeding quality? No, and I don't care if he does throw color or gait in the field.

So see, I think I'm going to copy this part and make a new thread too, and Jane and BigJ I'd love it if you'd go contribute because I like talking about it. So let me do that now, see more on that (I'll edit to add thread)

My purpose on this thread though, as I said was to avoid any confusion over the mere use of the word "gait" which like Candice said, all horses gait, but you'd be surprised at the amount of people that can't understand you're not using the same word as meant when saying pasos are "gaited horses".