Felix, what do you find interesting? Is there some particular line or combination there?
Cindy, I'm sure there's a lesson there somewhere...what?
I thought this was the BB of un-confusion, but I'm confused.
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:10 am
BigJ
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Chucuano horses can get pudgy, no-necked. The inbreeding suggests that if there's a neck anywhere it had to be Delirio (reference previous photos).
The breeding is interesting because of the inbreeding. If you have an opportunity to see inbred chucuano horses (and you MUST try to before they are gone!) they are interesting in many factors: production, temperament, phenotype, gait. The best way to say it is they are very "chucuano", which is why it's a good idea to dig a few up and look at them.
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Oh, well thanks Candice! Now that makes sense I "get" it. Now if Felix will come and explain more what was interesting to him, I'll be good.
With this thread, I learned ALOT. And it's such a small world really, I'm now finding Delirio everywhere, at least some reference to some Delirio. And just this week I found a gelding that was a grandson, so thats the closest I've found, unfortunately, the rest of the pedigree left him kinda puky, so, just more of the learning needs to be done.
But you know, like I said, I didn't even recognize Delirio in Nino's pedigree until we had discussed his offspring for awhile, so at least now I have something else to look for.
Now, I shall go start a thread on Chucuano.
Suntuoso
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:01 am
BigJ
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I forgot to add the Suntuoso horses are really nice. I've seen a few daughters and they all have reallly nice angles and attachments on the front end, so some of it might be his influence too.
Remember me talking to Julio about a mare I want badly at Mundial? She's Suntuoso.
And there's a relation here with Premier de Chapiro who has Rabicana on the bottom.
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Good luck to ya, Britzy! It's hard to keep them all separated.
I finally bought a dry-erase board and work out the horses, relationships and how different lines link up. I then photograph the board, save it to my PC to work up a chart later. Better than the piles of papers I have all over the place. Bigger too, so I can get everything written down in one place instead of using many sheets of paper. I've got some stuff years old, I need to catalog.
It helps me when I do an "AHA!" and am afraid of forgetting what I just think I figured out.
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Just updating some information from back at the beginning of this thread... a client of ours just purchased Diamonte de Dulce from the Minters, so he's now with us in Virginia. He's a very mannerly stallion, great attitude, very clean legs and a balanced way of going. I believe Milda said he competed at the national level in Pleasure Stallions, will try to get a copy of his records. He is a direct Majestuoso son, has that phenotype (long neck, long legs, long back) and is greying to white. I think she is planning on standing him to outside mares as well as her own, he'd probably put height and elegance on the 'shorties' out there without risk of losing a nice temperament. Will try to get some pictures when the weather improves, but here is his pedigree: http://www.tesiopower.com/pf/sixgen.aspx?hID=17309
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Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 1:20 pm
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This is a digression from the subject
Really I do object to describing our pasos according to a SHOW category.
I realize it's not meant to be in any way a negative thing, but how does one explain this to others when we use other show terms such as "fino" to describe not just a show class, but breeding and performance attributes and the breed itself? Also, how does one tell another how the same attributes are found in all horses but they belong in separate categories.
I believe this is why we have confused allot of people and why we have American breeders thinking they are breeding a "type" of XXXX-horse when they are not.
Wouldn't it be easier to assess a horse and say it could compete in XXXX class?
Any time we label a horse we almost immediately segregate the horse to limited possibilities.
This horse should have all the opportunities available because he has very good phenotype, gait, size, disposition-all VERY good attributes of the paso fino breed. He can potentially correct allot of VERY poor attributes I see in today's competitive mares. This goes back to the many discussions we have had here about good, solid stallions and their critical role as producers. They contribute to the solid foundation needed to build brilliant animals. Nothing stands alone.
Remember some of the best breeding animals were NOT show horses or even "fino" gaited.
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I actually agree with you, most specifically because the definitions of what constitute 'Pleasure gait' in the show ring, for example, seem to be continually drifting. In this particular case though, I don't know enough about this horse to describe the other things he's done, so for his 'resume' I describe him as showing in Pleasure. Doesn't mean he's not capable of doing 95 other things than showing, but that's what he's done thus far. I have a mare who was a youth Pleasure champ, drill team horse, has done team penning and was my trail horse for years. When describing her, I mention all these things. I don't weigh one thing more than the other -- that IS her curriculum vitae (hope I spelled that right). Personally I feel that by describing what a horse HAS done I tell someone what they CAN do without limiting what they COULD do.
Hope that makes sense... I'm definitely at the low blood sugar part of the day!
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temperament is FANTASTIC!
In this particular case though, I don't know enough about this horse to describe the other things he's done, so for his 'resume' I describe him as showing in Pleasure. Doesn't mean he's not capable of doing 95 other things than showing, but that's what he's done thus far. I have a mare who was a youth Pleasure champ, drill team horse, has done team penning and was my trail horse for years. When describing her, I mention all these things. I don't weigh one thing more than the other -- that IS her curriculum vitae (hope I spelled that right). Personally I feel that by describing what a horse HAS done I tell someone what they CAN do without limiting what they COULD do.
